Monday, June 30, 2008

Wall•E vs Panda

I saw KFP a couple of weeks ago, and as my earlier post said, I loved it. And here's why:

Granted, KFP isn't a terribly original plot, but the filmmakers made it work and work well. It's the classic hero's journey. You know, the reluctant hero fights prejudice and adversity to grow into the person he was destined to be. And because this story surrounds the world of hand to hand combat, it's easy to compare it to notables like Rocky and The Karate Kid. There is even the standard mentor character. But for every successful story in this genre, there are 50 failures. So why did this one work?

Panda works for me on several levels. First, it's funny. Really funny. The verbal humor was top notch, with great performances. And the physical gags were really, really great. The rigging on the characters made the squash & stretch work the best I've seen in CG animation since The Incredibles! And talk about timing! Man!

I have to admit that 10 minutes into the film, I pretty much knew where it was going plotwise. But there were enough surprises and entertaining performances to keep me interested all the way through.

Something that I think really really helped in the story was the dual arc of both Po and Shifu, his mentor. Usually, mentor characters don't change or grow to this degree, but they did a nice job of keeping the story from slipping into total cliché by adding this facet to his character.

It was also refreshing to see a Dreamworks film that didn't didn't rely on fart jokes for the lion's share of its comedy. (Don't get me wrong, I snicker at potty humor as much as anyone. But it does tend to wear after awhile.)

Any shortcomings? Yeah... I thought the secondary characters (Tiger, Mantis, Monkey, Crane & Serpent) were too much in the background, and not developed nearly enough. And what a waste of voice talent! None of them had enough dialog to warrant getting name actors. But even with that, I walked out of the theater wishing I had another ten bucks to see it again.

Today, I caught a matinée of Wall•E. I really, really, really wanted to love it. Instead, I just liked it.

Visually and technically, it is flawless. It was a pure visual treat. The character development was incredible! I mean, they took two nearly mute characters and revealed a lot of character depth with pantomime performances. I don't know anyone else who has come close to that kind of mastery. I even loved the very subtle Noah imagery. (Spoiler: Didn't Eve holding that little plant look live a dove & olive branch? Especially with the plot about the Earth's population waiting on an "ark" until they could return. Nice, yeah?)

So what went wrong?

I think it's this: The setting was epic and the story was small.

Okay, now for the lengthier explanation. Visually, as I've stated before, this film is full of expansive, huge, glorious imagery. The level of realism that Pixar has reached has greatly surpassed anything they have done before. However, the story (and I'll try not to include overt spoilers here), is a very small one. That's not a criticism in itself, I like small stories. This is an age-old plot of boy meets girl, boy loses girl, boy gets girl. Two principle characters. That's all. (plus a comic relief cockroach). None of the other characters intersect their story beyond being obstacles. There is no real interaction with them. And the obstacles that they do encounter never seem to reach the level expected in a film that looks this lush and epic.

By comparison, let's look at the epic film Gone With The Wind. The relationship between Scarlett & Rhett is set against the horrors of the American Civil War. Their drama includes a love triangle, numerous betrayals, the death of a child, etc. The stakes were high. And as soon as that opening scene hit the screen, the audience knows they are in for a big story because the visuals are big.

If Wall•E had the same production scale as Toy Story, my expectations would have told my instincts to expect a light story. And I would have been overwhelmed at the emotions that were exuded by this pair of robots. But the look of Wall•E telegraphed something on the scale of Laurence of Arabia. And the drama just didn't measure up 100%.

Recently, I was corresponding with Keith Lango about story, and I told him something I had learned: My 6 points of Storytelling vs Production Value.
Here are the first 3 points, because I thought they were the only ones relevant to this review:
1. Good Story comes first. A pretty film can be terribly boring.
2. Low budget films with good storytelling are a sure bet.
2a. An audience can sense a low budget (Napoleon Dynamite, Hoodwinked, etc) and will cut it some slack.
3. Audiences can tell a high budget film, therefore will hold the storytelling to an even higher standard.

It's like if you went to a really, really fancy restaurant with valet parking and waiters in tuxedos and a string quartet playing in the corner, you would expect cuisine that came off the set of Iron Chef. But if they brought you an Outback Steakhouse filet, you would be disappointed, no? I guess that's what I'm saying. I like Outback's filet, but I the surroundings made me expect more meat and spice.

By the looks of the weekend box office grosses, I might be in the minority on this.

So my advice is go see both films. Enjoy them. If you agree with me, fine. If not, even better because you'll have gotten more of your money's worth.

Thoughts?

18 comments:

Anonymous said...

I really couldn't disagree more. While with Kung Fu Panda, Dreamworks is finally hitting it's stride as an animation studio (they've had quite a few big flops since starting), that they did it on such a flimsy, worn story with character TYPES rather than true personalities is rather sad. The film looked good in an attention getting way (we all have this to thank for after so many UGLY Dreamworks films). And although many others have pointed this out as well, the first thing I noticed is that no one in Kung Fu Panda can really get hurt. That undercuts the entire premise so that the film becomes not much more than a pleasant diversion.

Wall-e's wide expansive canvas was truly necessary to clearly convey the world the film story inhabited. While the camera doesn't always take advantage of this vastness, that fact makes the world so much more believable than any frame of Kung Fu Panda. And for all of that, it's a surprisingly intimate film. The characters make decisions that have consequences in the story, and becuase of this, audiences CARE more. The audiences investment in the characters pays off in more rewarding ways than Kung Fu Panda never really cares to attempt. I found the sassy talk in Panda inane and lacking much specificity of character--as well as HIGHLY annoying. And the animation's mugging was tiresome and amateurish.

Gypsy Bob said...

After seeing WALL-E with the kids (one liked it and one did not), my wife and I both agreed that the Veggie Tales video MADAME BLUEBERRY handled runaway consumerism in a more deft manner with more humor and no hurt feelings. I know you had not joined Big Idea when that was made, but thought that with your experience with both Disney and Big Idea you might like to know.

Keith Lango said...

Don't forget the rules, Tim.

Dreamworks = bad.
Pixar = infallible.

Keep that straight and you're good to go. ;)

Sunny Kharbanda said...

Ah, Keith. Do I sense sarcasm?

We know Dreamworks can give us appealing, creative character designs (Madagascar), but in KFP, most characters - including Po - looked too generic. We know Dreamworks can give us characters we care about and a story that doesn't pander(Shrek 1), but that didn't exactly happen in KFP. We know Dreamworks can tell a story visually without lots of annoying dialogue (hmm... can't think of an example here). Well, 2 out of 3 ain't bad. Just wish KFP had those 2.

Pixar aren't infallible (anyone remember Boundin'? ... anyone?), and Wall-E certainly has its flaws. But, from the first minute, I felt involved in the story. It was a simple, small story, but by "showing" instead of "telling", they involved us, the audience. It shows they respect our brains, even as they take us on a thrill ride. Plus, it wasn't just more of the same. Which is what I felt about Kung Fu 'Pander'.

Tim said...

Thanx everyone for keeping our disagreements civil (No one started name calling! I love you people!). It's amazing to me how militant many people can become when discussing movies. Silly, no?

Yes, the differences between Wall•E & KPF are vast. And looking at the box office returns, my opinions are not in the majority. My post was simply an attempt to quantify my emotions as I left the theater after both movies.

Of course, my enjoyment may have been affected by seeing KFP in a full auditorium with lots of laughter (mostly mine) and catching a matinée of Wall•E with 10 other people. I tend to feed off of my surroundings.

I really, really wanted to be carried away by Wall•E. Maybe my hopes were too high. Maybe I'm old. Maybe KFP had better trailers that put me in a better mood. After all, before Wall•E I was subjected to the likes of "Fly Me to the Moon" and "Beverly Hills Chihuahua".

You'll have to excuse me now, I'm going to be ill.

Alan Starship said...

"anyone remember Boundin'?" - I don't get it... This is one of my favorite Pixar shorts! Well, I don't think Pixar is infallible too, but Boundin' was not a good example in my opinion... And that's one thing I like about Pixar: everyone has a whole different opinion about their movies! ;) Cheers!

Sunny Kharbanda said...

I didn't know "Boundin'" would be a controversial choice, but I'm enjoying these civil disagreements! If you want more stuff to agree/disagree over, check out my post on Pixar's "Presto" over at my blog. I've tried to break down some of the timing and how they got away with so many static holds in CG.

"Beverly Hills Chihuahua" was a real trailer? I thought I dozed off during the previews and had a nightmare with thousands of singing chihuahuas! ;)

Davipalooza said...

Tim a share a lot of your opinions about these two movies and I did find it strange that these opinions are VASTLY in the minority. When I came out of Wall-e (which was a screening several weeks before it was released and reviewed) I was thinking "Oh no the critics are not going to like this." Apparently the opposite.

I LOVED the character development of Wall-e and EVE and I drooled over the look of earth. I was entertained, endeared, and excited about the movie right up until they introduced the human characters. I found them looking and moving like babies to be somewhat disturbing and I was just overall not as interested in them as I was with the robots. I think their storyline (being able to return to earth) took too much attention away from the love story and it just didn't hold my interest as much. I also didn't feel as though overcoming the antagonist was all that much of a struggle. I'll have to see it again (my memory is getting fuzzy) but it seems like the resolution of the movie revolved more around the humans.

Anyways, I think KFP and Wall-e are two different movies, its like comparing the Green Mile to Ghostbusters. Neither can beat the other because they are out to do different things. I was thoroughly entertained during KFP, and it made me laugh the hardest I've ever laughed in a theater at one moment. I didn't think characters were THAT strong outside of Po, Uguay, and Po's father both in development and 3d design (the art of book is incredible).

In short KFP entertained me more, both were very good films.

Tim said...

Yes, comparing these two films is unfair. The only thing they have in common is the medium, not the genre nor plot, etc.
I am glad they are both doing so well in the box office. It helps insure more animated films will be made and secures the employment of many talented people.

Randy said...

Weel, Tim, I don't think your opinions are as much in the minority as you think... a number of us at work were quite underwhelmed, much for the same reasons. We wanted steak, and got hamburgers. Good hamburgers, really juicy, tasty-looking hamburgers - but still hamburgers.

I kinda felt like Wall-E had two stories, with the one I liked (relationship is better than techno-life) being overwhelmed by the one I didn't care for (walmart is raping the planet).

Apprently Stanton denies that there was any intent on his prt to make a statement about consumerism/Wal-Mart/environmentalism. How did he miss that when that's the iddea everybody had leavign the theater?

And at the one climactic moment in the movie, when the human's finally begin to struggle and triumph, they result to a pop-culture reference? I thought that was Dreamworks' territory?

I guess what Keith said is true, Pixar can get away with anything, and when DW does the same they get blasted for it.

I for one thought KFP was very entertaining, but less emotionally involving than I'd like it to be.

Wall-E had its moments, but overall just left me vastly disappointed. And I had pretty low desires for seeing the movie all summer, so it's not like my expectations were unreachable, either. I figured it was Andrew Stanton, so it was bound to be good, but I just couldn't get excited about it. I still can't get excited about it.

But hey, Hancock was fun, and Dark Knight is coming, so my summer movie fun will continue.

I think we can all agree this has been the best summer for movies in a long time... animated and otherwise.

Bryon Caldwell said...

Hey Tim. Great review and I totally agree with you.

I was really blown away by the performances in KFP. It's a big step forward for Dreamworks animation I think. The story was fairly basic but they made it work. Amazing designs and art direction ta-booot!

As for Wall-e, I loved the first 30mins of it. I felt the last 45mins or so got really preachy and 'soapboxish'. There were some amazing moments in the film but I felt that the story of the human race and that of Wall-e and Eva conflicted to much. I do admire Pixar for trying to send a message about the environment though.

wahbanator said...

Well, I have flipping through the "Art Book of KGP" and I have to say, it is beautiful.
I thought the opening dream sequence of KFP is the best - and most gorgeous - I have seen in years.

As you said, visually Wall-E was impressive, very impressive specially for us who are in the business of animation, but at the end of the day I really disliked their choices of mixing styles of realism with cartoony and SciFi, along with mixing live action footage with CG.
While I understand why Pixar made that visual choice, it did not really work for me.

KFP was simply beautiful, engaging and very funny.
I took my 2 girls with me to see both movies (8 and 4 years old) the theater was full of laughter when we were watching KFP, and while my 8 year old was really engaged to the love story in Wall-E, my 4 year old was board out of her seat.

IMHO, KFP is the best of DreamWorks by far, and the best CG movie since the Incredibles - and along with "Prince Caspian" - is my favorite of the year so far.

JW

Robert said...

The comparison of Wall-E to GWTW and LOA is a bit of a bad fit.

Both GWTW and LOA have about double the running time of Wall-E to spin out epic plot details.

And they both allow themselves ample dialog to put across points they couldn't do visually.

I agree the story is small, but decoding the silent movie clues that carry it kept me occupied.

Tim said...

Perhaps you are right. For my comparison, I was just looking for some other lavish looking and well-known properties.
But my opinion still rides (and, of course, it is just my opinion). I walked out of the theater wishing I had been moved a little more.
That's just me, I suppose. Maybe I have a heart of stone.
But I do think if the scope of the story and the visuals were more in harmony with each other, I (for one) would have been more satisfied.
However, I think I would do better to concentrate my efforts on telling my stories better than waxing on and on about somebody else's.

Liz said...

I've seen neither, but I've heard a lot of the same from a lot of people. Seeing the ads for Kung Fu Panda, I instantly thought...wow, that looks kinda stupid. But, everyone I know who has gone to see it has really been impressed with it. And then this glittering jewel on the horizon (Wall*E) comes into theaters and i really expected gold, but, honestly, everyone i've heard from has been un-impressed. I guess that's really no conclusion though, I still need to see both.

Moseydog said...

Beg to differ with Mr. Lango's opinion but ...

DreamWorks: Great humor, average to good story

Pixar: Great story, above-average humor.

I don't think I've laughed as loudly at the theater as I did with KFP since Wayne's World. Story was ehh to okay, but I'll gladly pay to see it again just to get the belly rolling again.

Tod Carter said...

Well I didn't see KFP but I still wanted to leave a note on Wall-E.
The mix of real human and animated human characters seemed odd to me and took me out of the story a bit but the element that was the most unsettling for me had to do with the human qualities of robots.
Now this is a subject that's been tackled many times but in this film Pixar deals with the subject matter quite unevenly. Do all robots have free will? Can they all fall in love? Are they really like humans after all?
If you replace a robot's circuit board- is he still the same robot?
Now in a movie where dogs are talking for example, I can easily suspend disbelieve if the rules are set up at the beginning and then followed throughout. But if in the middle of the movie we find out that only some dogs can talk and other dogs can not (Alvin and the Chipmunks anyone?) then it just raises more questions and tends to take me out of the film.
That's pretty much my reaction to WallE. Instead of getting caught up in the love story and the characters I felt a bit cheated because I couldn't understand why any of these robots would bother to even keep the humans alive. After all if they all have free will and would rather hang out and fall in love with other robots, why bother. I don't see how they need the humans at all. Why fatten them up? Are they going to eat them at Thanksgiving? Now that WOULD be a story. But if the robots all had to follow their directives, how come WallE did whatever he wanted and so did Eve for that matter. They weren't broken were they. I never got that impression.
The whole thing leaves me a little confused.
I did enjoy the film and I did like the characters. I loved the visuals of course. The first 30 minutes were very compelling.
I just don't think they finished strongly enough for me to love this film.
I'll check out KFP.

Anonymous said...

Tim, it's my first time to see your blog, and I'm loving your thoughts on WallE vs Panda (and Gone with the Wind, etc!). The "leave 'em wanting more" sure worked with your 6 points. I can't wait to see 4-6!

Miss you being around.

Betty C